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Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Let's look at the Saviors Biblical warning to the church of Laodicea and see what each of you individually believe is mean't by the Savior when He said "thou art lukewarn". You'd be surprised at the different definitions people give...
To me, "Thou art lukewarm can have any of several connotations:

1. "Lukewarm" may mean complacent, not taking one's relationship with God nearly seriously enough.

2. "Lukewarm" can also mean neglectful, not realizing the seriousness of the eternity of heaven and hell.

3. It can also mean that people get so wound up in their own busy-ness that God does not have the place He so richly deserves.

4. Lukewarmness can also mean watered-down preaching and teaching. Too often, the Bible is rarely even used in church services. God forbid! At times, pastors are afraid to truly preach what people need most to hear, because they are afraid of their reactons and perhaps the pastor may even fear for his job. Then, too, sometimes we are so wanting to grow our congregations that we make becoming a Christian far too simple and do not let people know that receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the most important decision they can make.

5. Then, too, lukewarmness may come to play in the way churches plan half-hearted programs and are not really ready for Holy Spirit revival.

6. Then, too, lukewarmness can come when we don't truly reach out to meet people's needs. There is what I call a "dip-em and drop 'em" mentality in which we seriously neglect discipleship.

7. In short, lukewarmness is ANYTHING that we allow to keep us from being on fire with a holy zeal for Jesus and the needs of people around us.

In looking at the Church at Laodicea, it was a great banking center, full of wealthy people who lived lifestyles that were far from Christian. Materialism and money had taken the place that Jesus should have had. Ironically, Laodicea was also a medical center in which an eye salve was made. They tried to help folks see physically better, but had little spiritual vision. When churches become social clubs, it literally makes our Savior sick.


The Parson Wrote:
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Let's look at the Saviors Biblical warning to the church of Laodicea and see what each of you individually believe is mean't by the Savior when He said "thou art lukewarn". You'd be surprised at the different definitions people give...

My goodness Gracey... You about covered the whole subject. In a nut shell, the luke warm church is half hearted...
Excuse me, Tim, but what do you mean by half-hearted?????? I had ALL my heart in that post, thank you very much! I deserve a BIG apology for that one!


Graceblest Wrote:
To me, "Thou art lukewarm can have any of several connotations:

1. "Lukewarm" may mean complacent, not taking one's relationship with God nearly seriously enough.

2. "Lukewarm" can also mean neglectful, not realizing the seriousness of the eternity of heaven and hell.


3. It can also mean that people get so wound up in their own busy-ness that God does not have the place He so richly deserves.

4. Lukewarmness can also mean watered-down preaching and teaching. Too often, the Bible is rarely even used in church services. God forbid! At times, pastors are afraid to truly preach what people need most to hear, because they are afraid of their reactons and perhaps the pastor may even fear for his job. Then, too, sometimes we are so wanting to grow our congregations that we make becoming a Christian far too simple and do not let people know that receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the most important decision they can make.

5. Then, too, lukewarmness may come to play in the way churches plan half-hearted programs and are not really ready for Holy Spirit revival.

6. Then, too, lukewarmness can come when we don't truly reach out to meet people's needs. There is what I call a "dip-em and drop 'em" mentality in which we seriously neglect discipleship.

7. In short, lukewarmness is ANYTHING that we allow to keep us from being on fire with a holy zeal for Jesus and the needs of people around us.

In looking at the Church at Laodicea, it was a great banking center, full of wealthy people who lived lifestyles that were far from Christian. Materialism and money had taken the place that Jesus should have had. Ironically, Laodicea was also a medical center in which an eye salve was made. They tried to help folks see physically better, but had little spiritual vision. When churches become social clubs, it literally makes our Savior sick.


The Parson Wrote:
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Let's look at the Saviors Biblical warning to the church of Laodicea and see what each of you individually believe is mean't by the Savior when He said "thou art lukewarn". You'd be surprised at the different definitions people give...

Methinks he was merely saying that you were able to pretty much cover the whole thing with very little effort. I think it was a complement.

That being said, I think that lukewarmness also has a connotation of worldliness. The church has one foot wanting to stand with God, and the other out in the world, so it is neither hot nor cold unwilling to stand for God.

Regardless, I think that the issue here is most likely related to materialism. I have said many times that God probably would never make most of us millionaires, because then we may not trust him with our lives and rely on our wealth. The Laodiceans were lukewarm in their faith. They trusted him for some things, and relied on themselves for others. For this they were spiritually bankrupt, and Jesus stood at their door and knocked, if they would open it to him he would come in and sup with them and they with him.

Theabaud Wrote:
Methinks he was merely saying that you were able to pretty much cover the whole thing with very little effort. I think it was a complement.

That being said, I think that lukewarmness also has a connotation of worldliness. The church has one foot wanting to stand with God, and the other out in the world, so it is neither hot nor cold unwilling to stand for God.

Regardless, I think that the issue here is most likely related to materialism. I have said many times that God probably would never make most of us millionaires, because then we may not trust him with our lives and rely on our wealth. The Laodiceans were lukewarm in their faith. They trusted him for some things, and relied on themselves for others. For this they were spiritually bankrupt, and Jesus stood at their door and knocked, if they would open it to him he would come in and sup with them and they with him.

I agree with what you are saying, I just think it goes much farther than materialism. I look at it in the terms of fence sitting. They are sitting on the fence and go to what ever side suits them at the time. The lukewarm are not taking a stand for or against God, they are blown in all sorts of directions like the wind.

God does not want that from us. We are either for him or we are against him. That is why I think he says he would rather have us hot or cold. The lukewarm have potential to come to full salvation if they make the commitment for God 100% and become hot. Sadly some won't and they will end up paying the ultimate price for all eternity.

I agree, but the passage of scripture made direct reference to material things.

I disagree that only those that are hot are saved. Perhaps that is not what you meant, because if being all in is what it means to be saved, who then can be saved? Is not being on fire to say that one is working for their salvation?
I look at it with the perspective that Jesus is talking to His church bodies. So the ones He is talking to are the saved. He just can't do anything with them because they are luke warm. It makes him sick by the condition they are in.
Why then does he say he will spue them out? If we read on just a little we see a little clarification.

Revelation 3

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

They are basing their salvation on works and not faith. In verse 18 we see that this is indeed about souls. As a Christian we are refined by the fires of trial of this world so that we can be clothed with the white robe of Jesus' righteousness. The church in Laodiceania has become complacent about putting their faith in Christ and judge themselves not needing the savior, hence the call to repent. So the call to repent is in reference to their salvation not their material possessions. The material possession reference is teach that we can not buy our way into salvation.
See Tim's post just above yours. They are spewed out being of little usefulness.

Also the reference to money did not say that they were trusting their goods for salvation. The people of Laodicea had lost their faith in day to day things, for by their hands they had prospered. Verse 19 indicates that these are in fact the children of God, for they are chastened (Hebrews 12:7-8).

We live in an age where we see people trusting Christ for salvation, but for building their church they trust a music program. For that the people are luke warm. I know that I won't make many friends on this, but the Bible tells us that god will pour out his spirit on us and make his words known to us, but we translate the Bible over and over again (Proverbs 1:23). If we are going to make the spiritual purchases indicated in verse 19, it must be by faith.
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